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Magic: Myths and stereotypes

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Helen wrote:

I got personally interested in Magic astrology.

Helen, that you auctioning the in view under "Magical unique", if can be of curiosity?

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that you auctioning the in view under "Magical unique", if can be of curiosity?

In the notion of magic threshold astrology I include very many what. Governments: Informed approach and use astrological data. And also work with energy Council flows. If you have, that say on the subject - mercy of am asking. Let us deal together. :) A if or criticize something. The better not need to. For me this theme very crusade .

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Helen wrote:

If you have, that say on the subject - mercy of am asking. And if or criticize something. The better not need to

Nor the, nor another ;) SU100 saw the term "magical astrology" and mention any country by, about than speech.

Helen wrote:

If in: Informed approach and use astrological data

Perhaps, this too in for my understanding of. :sorry:

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The deity in the eyes of ancient often i?aanoaaeyeinu as enemy, rival and competitor. In desire mastering the His forces and put their itself on service struck the most the crux of the magic, prefigured which was an Original sin. Magic emanates from thought, that all in world, in including and divine, stems hard causality could inquisitorial communication, that certain rituals can give in hands human lever governance nature and gods. In this magic, as showed J. A Fraser, was been science.
In flushed and g and ? flusheds more just has been illustrated egotistical self-affirmation human, his in about are unaware I to in are unaware and with gives. He all more prileplyalsya to plotskomu, posyustoronnemu. So obozhestvlennaya nature Goddess-conservation easily vytesnyala God from his hearts. Man waited from it food, victories, hedonism and ready was to worship she and its children the Roman. These are roots slice of life of idolatry.
But attitude human to nature was ambivalent. He not only prayed it, but and aggressively required. And if his requirement remained without answer, he object as rapists, he Jack and and martyr his idol.
Book of Existence says about violating harmony between man and nature in a result original sin. Tainted a sin Earth pits * and volchtsy. People account for extract itself food in having faces. Begins long war for recuperate mother-of nature; and after each victory son she will retaliate him.) The something this uprising against the Father and, mastering the cruel Mother reminds freydovskiy complex Oedipus , only background - he grew up until proportions history. Moreover, and itself amaze system magizma suggests a disorder actions, the destiny nevrozu. However origins specific talismanic ceremonies cannot be explain only disease souls: Here malaise rather spiritual. Natural determinism of a fallen world man endured his kangaroo on attitude to idol. He sought mechanical ways and practices that could would
? and with gives and in and gives are nezrimye beings to submit to the him, for chief engine magic now the precepts-- singularity, this an immutable mistress, that have the love.(earmarked me)
From books "I used to religion" A. Men square

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Tir, thank you, very an interesting the text with perspective on magic Christianity.

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Respiration same so narrowly with perspective khrichtianstva ? This is by no means only Christianity. Writings Alexander I got, such as The story religions , I used to religion , Magizm and God devoted to clerical development humanity in a whole, not development Christian branch. He spent tremendous work, left study path people from the birth to the idea of one, sole God. He viewed, studied and with respect bracketed everyone religious direction. Himself he spoke, that call has two Isnovet: Either genuine broad and a deep demonstrated, which not man fears maneuver, either superficial mixing just in together. Of course, I for ekumenu first type. But before him reaching few. Hence your surveillance. In nutshell Brussels about saints, that they others not only the finiteness of, but reluctance house a different experience. And especially this experience not concern lives as general. Their source of cultural tradition and etnopsikhologiya Veloso, that 700 million Catholics and 350 million Protestants are in misapprehension, and only we alone the true Church means algun in insane arrogance pride, nothing not justified (krasnaya spiritual daughters Alexandra Orlova-Model )
He, incidentally, with hand Orthodox priests not one times had been submitted criticized for their views. But we today after all not guided deny, that as in Christianity, so and in musulmanstve, and in Judaism and even in religions-philosophies Indian branch basis such is God am uniform.
Now returning to the conversation about magic. Continuation of:
us is important not itself magic, and human errorsgoad, with whom to it opt. () chief nerve of magizma use forces, would still, natural or sverkhprirodnykh, in Burger King recently purposes and personal the needs. ()
Magic was based on misapprehension. But this misled not was an absolute. Was correctly understood the availability of in world regularities and principal ties, although real knowledge these laws there or was perched in hot love on. Fraser very close to truth in his characterization essence magic. When magic is in his clean and unchanging form, - writes he, - it assumes, that in nature phenomena must to follow one thing for other inevitably and invariably, not requiring in intervention personal or spiritual agent. So, its osnovopolozheniya are identical with osnovopolozheniyami modern science. () science forcenature of serve man. Such is same and goal magic.
Only then, when man gradually understood, that not is imperial conquer cloud or of an animal, he became turn to more powerful creatures dirty spirits. () to our Man of the little to believe in Common Agricultural the Force. He wants to subordinate this Manu itself, mastering the Ideology. () the primeval savage perfume interested only with utilitarian perspective, he seeks get from them maximum good. He needs not in them, and in their my god-given gifts. And him seems, that by magic he it turns out able direct them, be their Mr. Pierfrancesco and master.
In magizme hidden present the kind spiritual trend, which its roots in unadulterated of sins humanity: Put themselves in the center of the deeps of universe and force serve itself his forces. ()
A mage very often contradicts pope. This and understandable. Internal dimension magizma and religion opposite. Priest above all an honest broker between people and spiritual world. He refers to idol with with your prayer. For mage same joy mysterious bogoobscheniya wasted breath. He searching for only achievements power on hunting, in farming, in the fight with enemies. Gordon complacency mage, - writes D. Fraser, - his sullen appeal with senior forces, his this shameless claim on influence, similar their influence, could not not resent it awesome priest, humbly rasprostertogo before bozheskim grandeur, which watched on these claim as on koschunstvennuyu and bogokhulnicheskuyu usurpation advantages, beleaguered one God.
A. Men square Magizm and God , Eksmo, Moscow, 2005, S. 254-255
D. Fraser, Golden branch, T.1, s.77

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Yolka wrote:

In magizme hidden present the kind spiritual trend, which its roots in unadulterated of sins humanity: Put themselves in the center of the deeps of universe and force serve itself his forces.

And can be watch on this with other hand? Where went magic? From primeval people. If we celebrate writings Levi-Strauss' and Levi-Bruhl, then the first with than will face, this precisely with magichnostyu thinking the primeval rights. But from Hubris whether it? In those times dominated such mentality among Southern as folk religion-Animist, i.e. people were tend to believe, that all around them being, spiritual perception and has soul. A bolt from, electric storm, rain, the sun they perceived (not metaphorically, but on fact) as living an act of communication with them, say so, in regime he-layn (on modern). And what they perceived forces of nature as living was forcing their try to intercede with them in contact, understand their, to agree. That concerns opinion priests about Hubris magic, then, in my opinion, whom as not them to denounce magic? They with it entire life fought.

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All is true from primeval. But speech something about how and goes, that man was developing from fortune the primeval to his truly virility. And means, have evolved in it all (or almost all) components, and not only intelligence. Spiritual component, too, proceeded. The kind the most a spark God's, which struck exclusively people. I think, that force Spirit, himself Spirit in man also anodyne stage evolution, growth. Ah not can be powerful spiritual component of in intellectually nerazvitom being. And here is contrary can. Unfortunately.
A bolt from, electric storm, rain and the sun, Nature, created Finding. She is full odukhotvoreniya, but itself is all-??? only the result creative act his invisible Forces, God.
No one from Prophets never spoke Charodeystvuyte!. Contrary, from this always warn (or even directly forbade). No one from known troglodyte,) and camping on P. Not has resorted to magic, to communicate with by the High. They come to this dialogue in seaside resort of Beidaihe and through suffering. As and said, narrow portal stood. The most the best magic , if can be so speak, this setting belief and Recessional. And I now say not about some specific religion.
Gradually I all closer and closer come to one their political leanings and, of course, this simply my opinion, which to most on our Forum seem, likely, unacceptable and I and not insist, simply ve. Magic this, perhaps, one of the most powerful and the most President temptations for human spirit. Why it a powerful, think, it is understandable. And of UAC in is, that, plunging in magic, man believes, that he spiritually evolves, then as on fact gibelno regresses. Illusion. Iskusneyshiy Cheat.
Of course, perhaps, I strongly was wrong. But then why no one says, that same them is driven by, when he decides to practice magic? What are motives and goad? What are those the most human errors reasons for magic? No one directly so and responded, not despite number of pages in this topic. Came okruglymi common language about mega development. That same this for development such? And importantly for what it?

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Yolka wrote:

Nu not can be powerful spiritual component of in intellectually nerazvitom being.

And here is were before "yurodivye Christ sake of", which were what to sainthood precisely for its spiritual feat.

Yolka wrote:

Magic this, perhaps, one of the most powerful and the most President temptations for human spirit. Why it a powerful, think, it is understandable. And of UAC in is, that, plunging in magic, man believes, that he spiritually evolves, then as on fact gibelno regresses. Illusion. Iskusneyshiy Cheat.

On expense the temptation I would argue. But who said, that path spiritual development runs exclusively upward?
Recall one a parable about prosvetlyonnom man. His was asked, whom can be called the righteous person? He responded - moreover, who is faring, falls and again is rising and than further is faring, those ostentatious falls and surge.

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A here is were before "yurodivye Christ sake of", which were what to sainthood precisely for its spiritual feat.

At all the, yes, of course, with my hand assertion about interdependence the developed intelligence and might Spirit was too bezapellyatsionnym. Moreover, I not very is true expressed its intention its thought. I had in mind, that for of a human himself question about spirituality still not been run over by in force underdeveloped actor. And with the development human (and humanity, camping on K. All we the crux of the one thing) proceeded and his demonstrated. And here is about Nitty Gritty use terminology Let us shall glance in vocabulary church terms:
A holy fool (Hades. Stupid, crazy) - man, first part on themselves feat images external, camping on E. Apparent frenzy with goal achievements domestic for humility (see 1 Cor. 3, 19).
So that think, that to sainthood ordinary and real seriously deranged Church not prichislyala.

In a result some catastrophe, that Christianity, in particular, calls grekhopadeniem deepest change occurred in mirooschuschenii our distant ancestors at the dawn humanity.
Not only its bread man became extract in having faces , but and spiritual wealth him had to win strained effort many generations. Before him lay in-Russia the road historic development, on which him were fall and Still Rise, wrong and plunge to truth, seek and to surmount obstacles.
Greatness of the and beauty history human searches Top God is that man always experienced dissatisfactions, never (let and unconsciously) not forgotten the most the Guljamov countries , that left. Then, when he first time recognized themselves in world, he spoke with God face to slap. Now this immediacy communication taking. Spiritual disaster erected wall between people and Heaven. But man not has lost his bogopodobiya, not has lost ability to although would in weak extent need God. In the early stages in very primitive bogopoznanii still clear be ruled a sense of Divine Unity. () But whatever cult, what are would nor were forms bogopochitaniya this was not already initial seeing Single. Religion camping on E. Recovery ties between man and God begins in history humanity after first. Paphos religion, says S. Bulgakov, there is pathos distances, and in its in bogoostavlennosti. The, that promote, there is no needs to link, the link arises as outcome aspirations overcome gap. Man-based century, as and man our days, acutely feels severity of Great gap. And for centuries he sometimes was ballooning and gap done extensive research. Was happening this not because, that God leaving human, but because, that man stories about hermitsfeats from God (quote again is taken from labor A. Alexander Magizm and God ).

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Very recommend the film Alexander Jodorowski "Sacred mountain." He Context effort, 1- on his production, so as applies to 2003 movies and not in a broad Minibuses for Hire. There very well depicts spiritual path rights. Began all with Christianity, then (kabbalistic), Taro, Astrology and further stages of path. I was in face of a shock. As? Where? Did have all so? All these ordeals and difficulties in path. These toads in our bodies. The symbolism in life. This and splendid our thought. And that in end.

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Yolka wrote:

Theological component, too, proceeded.

Tir, and can be with this seats in more details? Ah so as you this don. :flag:

Yolka wrote:

Nu not can be powerful spiritual component of in intellectually nerazvitom being.

And here is here I stubbornly not would argue. We again get back to what understand under spirituality. I believe, that demonstrated and intelllekt no relations to each other not have. And and carried - what? A smart books man is becoming more adaptive in society, more autumn and in it and more deliberately conducts in life commandment "you shall not steal", "not debauch" and camping on D.? So this Jupiter is reinforced, zakonoposlushnost human laws in society, agreement behavior among other people. Under than here demonstrated? Have I. Bunina there is completely a wonderful development narrative the Dark Ones alleys. Maintained whether intellectually the hero? To be sure! But dukhoven whether he? Och. Big question.

Yolka wrote:

gradually I all closer and closer come to one their political leanings and, of course, this simply my opinion, which to most on our Forum seem, likely, unacceptable and I and not insist, simply ve.

Tir, on the he and forum, to opinion were different.

Yolka wrote:

What those the most human errors reasons for magic? No one directly so and responded, not despite number of pages in this topic. Came okruglymi common language about mega development. That same this for development such? And importantly for what it?

Not know. Honestly. I magic not useful, but am familiar with humans who this makes. In particular not times reported receiving from them support in the form of magic threshold protection. Can be, this and there is one reason?

Yolka wrote:

Magic this, perhaps, one of the most powerful and the most President temptations for human spirit.

, too, not know. You still try a genuine magic hears us, not Crescent semblance of. And after about about temptation to speak can be. And magic love? Magic human relations? Again same, let us let's define that we believe magic.

Me seems, that for any vital decision, in including and for decision engage magic, man pays a certain price. And we at all not know that and as is changing in karma rights.

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The tree, and can be with this seats in more details? Ah so as you this don.

Yes so understand, that demonstrated not was initially a certain dannostyu. That this category such a same a rising, as intelligence, consciousness, thinking, ability to and even physical body. Truth, this until only assumption, which I have same the most from me the most there is contrasting the, namely question about camping on BC The missing its weakest link evolution. This for me sphere work and search answers still.

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So this Jupiter is reinforced, zakonoposlushnost human laws in society, agreement behavior among other people. Under than here demonstrated?

Here is astrology I until that here not vmeshivayu. As would the nor was, on this stage I spend the division between magic and unique. Still one sphere work.
That concerns spirituality. , too, many about this talked and say think, ????? its will definition of. For me demonstrated this life in Spirit. Life Spirit (not souls, namely Spirit, as an integral component component of Trinity). My telluric life until that only the path to spirituality. Perhaps, this path Spirit to the very itself, camping on E. To God I not know
Birth to a litter of received , constraints with death Yegor's Kazakhstan, and there was such his observation:" Amply understood, that something, that marks a man, - this as aquarium with fishes, which is within ocean. And under death he it. He would still there remains, but have him already there is no frameworks and a gaggle of prep school golden small fish is floating away in the boundless space.

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In particular not times reported receiving from them support in the form of magic threshold protection. Can be, this and there is one reason?

If man uses magic for protection, means, his actions runs fear. And fear a bad counselor, I.M.H.O.,.

Again same, let us let's define that we believe magic.

Let us

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Yolka wrote:

let us

Let us :flag:

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