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Астролог wrote:

На самам деле, главный показатель для соединения - это планеты, в нем участвующие

Когда я слышу фразу "На самом деле", мне сразу хочется уточнить - это вы откуда взяли, что ваше "на самом деле" вообще соответствует истине? Мне совершенно не хочется вам, Астролог, расписывать тут основы астрологии. Я все-таки надеюсь, что вы понимаете разницу между соединением Солнце-Венера в знаке Весов и Овна.

Астролог wrote:

Lud_mila написал(а):гиперопеки нет ребенкафраза по типу "казнить нельзя помиловать" Неясно, чего нету - гиперопеки или ребёнка

А на ваши типа "мое твоя непонимай" я даже и отвечать не собираюсь. К чему эти ваши клоунские реверансы, я понять не могу.
Интересная у вас, Астролог, есть особенность - уходит от обсуждения в какие-то непонятные словестные дебри. А по существу ничего не говорить...

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Opinion scientists divided. :)
Collect statistics - I have two case, Dutch about giperopeke under connecting sun and Venus in 5 House

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Tania T wrote:

To collect statistics

Here is this a constructive approach. Tanya, thank you for this :flag: Skyfall about giperopeki, think, that should given and other data that can in these maps withdraw at first plan. So if data lay out here, will remarkable. I all same until remain under his opinion, that here Long aktsentirovana.

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Tania T wrote:

To collect statistics - I have two case, Dutch about giperopeke under connecting sun and Venus in 5 House

Practice has shown, that statistics nothing not worth in astrology. :) That I have’s proverbial compound in Vodolee in 7 House, but nor the Sun, nor Venus not have attitude to Affairs 5 homes. Although the Sun and there is symbolic blood regardless 5 homes. In your examples, Tatiana, well would I merely entire map: Than manage the Sun and Venus, in what signs is worth, where is Long, where blood regardless 5 homes and camping on D.
On my subjective glance, hyper - this principle of Scorpio, Pluto. When all through dibs on. And still is important psychological truth behind giperopeki. The whether this fear for built, then whether desire to all keep under control, then whether still that. So different planet and will to describe this situation have specific women. And as something not jibe I have principles control, of fear with connection sun and Venus.

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And still here in subject was would narrative about this the most giperopeke, in than she, exactly, is expressed? And the can we and this the term understand differently.

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giperopeka (a synonym for: Giperprotektsiya) [греч. hyper — над, сверх]— style nourishing and relationships in family, under which child excessively serve and control. Under this is suppressed his autonomy and initiative, slows development personality. Nurture in conditions G. Can continue to lead to an increased level of egotsentrizma and to irreversible violations in the form of identity infantilizma, absence of responsibility, declining social adaptation.

A. L. Wenger

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Well would still sinastrii watch. Have Thani Zhidkovoy there is a small article (in latest, # 50 the hoax "Art Abused life" can be read) about how as children perceive its mother again. Glance this can be highly and highly subjective.

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Lud_mila wrote:

Татьяна, хорошо бы глянуть всю карту: чем управляют Солнце и Венера, в каком знаке стоит, где находится Луна, где управитель 5 дома и т.д.

Людмила , карта женщины 20.01.1970, Москва, 20,31

Радуга wrote:

И еще здесь в тему был бы рассказ об этой самой гиперопеке, в чем она, собственно, выражается?

выражается вот в чем : как я уже писала выше ( тема начилась в "сам себе психолог ") в заботе - переживаниях о дочери до такой степени , что сама начинает болеть - нарушается сон , повышается/понижается давление , нервозность , слезы , истощение нервной системы происходит и возникает необходимость принимать лекарства. .Отсутствие желаний , ничего не может делать и т.д., при этом , дочь вполне самостоятельная , маму слушается .
Это что материнский комплекс ?
Мои рассуждения таковы :Венера дает социализированную эмоцию, не всегда осознанную .находясь в 5 доме в соединении с Солнцем проигрывается тема творчества, сила желания, любви и ,конечно, детей.
И вот мотив - с т.зр сциальной -у меня ( моей дочери ) не может быть" плохо " , она самая, самая , сценарий жизни уже расписан -богатый муж , дети и тд. и если ее дочь что-то не может , то она сама это делает за нее , чтобы не упасть в грязь лицом .
Все знают , что в н.вр в школе делают акцент на предметы , которые будут  сдавать по ЕГ, а остальные просто задвигаются.
Когда с институте пришлось сдавать "задвинутый " предмет , она сначала сама его выучила и затем " пересказала " дочери , вместе с ней не спала и тд ( вышеперечисленные симптомы -давление и тд) пока не закончилась сессия .
Соединение Солнце-Венер говорит о сильной любви к себе , дочь воспринимается как "я самая ", Быть "неблагополучными " могут все , кроме меня - отсюда страх и опека .

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Tania T wrote:

is trying the Sun-Wehner says about a strong love to itself, daughter is perceived as "I the most", Being a "dysfunctional" can all, except me - hence fear and customer support.

As interestingly look map, to-paradise so resembles on s, but slightly slightly another. :) I was born 05.02.70 16 :4 0 Propulsion Tambov. As I and supposed, without Pluto here not go off. Planet 1 homes goes polupovozkoy on our compound the Sun-Venus. You can argue, that aspects of harmonious 120 and 60 from Mars, but the Sun in this map the most aspektirovannaya planet and he has still 2 square on Saturn (Chinese system-la 5 at home) and Jupiter. Even one Saturn in Taurus, as the manager 5 homes, enough for giperopeki. He after all in the earth population, requires real causes. Here is she and teaches objects for their daughter.

Not't forget also, that this the Sun in exile. Here is recently reading in lectures pro seized planet, very me Belarusian jersey in Estonia this theory Planetary Defense Forces dignity: Where planet better?. Planet in exile performed as:
• the situation “departure ”, full rejection appropriate spheres life;
attempt to no their weak hand strong,protect “the Achilles' heel ” a shield strongly acesta acorda incredere Guvernului properties;
overcompensating a little, vyrazhaemaya utrirovannym manifestation of planetary properties, constituents in exile;
• use area reklamy as “point growth. ”

Here is and are looking, as your the familiar protects its izgnannoe the Sun. Perhaps, this and there is overcompensating a little, when man inadequately themselves is leading in areas sun and 5 homes. The first degree mark says about impossibility of in full least show themselves as the true Aquarius, camping on K. Man until not knows, as this. Plus Saturn with Jupiter (Chinese system-or 4 at home) whisper to it about high status for its daughters.

Moon like would in good for it signs degree of Cancer, but in high 10 House – again pro status. However here Long gives those tears, that you contact. Here is here and there is “itself is beginning to much to root - violated dream, rises / table pressure, nervousness, tears, attrition nervous system is happening and arises the need to accept drugs. ” Plus have moon squaring to Uranus, and this blood regardless 6 homes health and planet 2 homes, that and gives reflection on health all its psychological obstructions.
But as have mothers with men deal, consider world? All in order?
And at all here well would discover in a conversation, what aspect of a leading in psychology: An exact the opposition Mars-Pluto, oao-squaring on the Sun from Saturn and organic, Long 90 Uranus.

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Tania T wrote:

have trumped - conscious about daughters until such extent, that itself is beginning to much to root - violated dream, rises / table pressure, nervousness, tears, attrition nervous system is happening and arises the need to accept drugs.

Me seems, this description of quadrature (mathematics) Long-Uranus. ???? Long in Raque, i.e. heightened need in have trumped. Uranium in Libra: This Treat poorly is reflected on relationships, leads to gap, volatility.

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Lud_mila wrote:

A as have mothers with men deal, consider world? All in order?

She simply "allows" themselves love, and of course love to itself - it needs free from men space, warmly, KRASOTA around, as in simbolone "Venus in mite" - this all pro it. Man she a remarkable -, very being industrious and often bear much, likes small jewelry and undetectable wearing, very polices the health. ASTs in the Virgin she has,
(Husband Fish on Sun).

Ludmila thank you for explanations - Feels like "confident hand." I am unique unprofessional, occasionally (when allows work), but so a different times want understand where that drip irrigation. :flag:

Радуга wrote:

Uranus in Libra: This Treat poorly is reflected on relationships, leads to gap, volatility.

When had to to do choice between work and home's-she's gonna chose house.
In principle she not works, but when husband requests help something on work, she cost serves, without much desires. On need.

Lud_mila wrote:

And at all here well would discover in a conversation, what aspect of a leading in psychology: An exact the opposition Mars-Pluto, oao-squaring on the Sun from of Saturn and organic, Long 90 Uranus.

Me seems, that all are, when tranzity accent any configuration

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Only recently been mulling over theme attachment. My husband very emotionally McCotter me. Increasingly been mulling, where in sinatrii this one can find. We have compound my Mars with Lilith husband. Have husband in Natale in the delegation in opposition to Saturn devouring his children, Grocer 7 homes. Can this to lend a strong attachments? He very fears to disperse with me.

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Svea wrote:

Only recently been mulling over theme attachment. My husband very emotionally McCotter me. Increasingly been mulling, where in sinatrii this one can find. We have compound my Mars with Lilith husband. Have husband in Natale in the delegation in opposition mile trek to Saturn, Grocer 7 homes. Can this to lend a strong attachments? He very fears to disperse with me.

Me seems, here need to his map look, camping on K. This his caching pattern, not your.

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Svea wrote:

There been mulling, where in sinatrii this one can find.

Lud_mila wrote:

“I don’t seems, here need to his map look, camping on K. This his caching pattern, not your.

Lyuda, would argue fully! At all in the last time come to thought, that sinastrii not so perishing and are important, ironically will ring out. Seen incredibly awesome sinastrii, under which people not in line or in family life lost any their scenarios (coercion, humiliation, emotional alienation and camping on D. Of course, this not says, that sinastrii not need to examine or account for. But the entire sense relations builds in natalnoy map.

Svea wrote:

Wu us there is compound my Mars with in the delegation husband. Have husband in Natal Lilith in opposition mile trek to Saturn, Grocer 7 homes.

I would for starters dreamt where have him Long and as have him have evolved relations with mother in pubertatnom period.

Svea wrote:

He very fears to disperse with me.

Here is this description of it seems to the moon in Raque yes still with strained aspects mile trek to Saturn (as option). However, on rachiy ASTs this, too, it seems.

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Радуга wrote:

That this description of it seems to the moon in Raque yes still with strained aspects to Saturn devouring his children (as option). However, on rachiy ASTs this, too, it seems.

Moon have him in Taurus, with Saturn there is no aspects of. Asts have him in Raque, but and I have in Raque. And dependence not visible.

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Svea wrote:

Long have him in Taurus, with Saturn there is no aspects of.

And with than there is? I try understand where have created phrase "fears to disperse." However, Long in Taurus gush on stability, such people with hard change habits and rebuild emotional sphere of.

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Радуга wrote:

A with than there is?

Husband was born 26.06.1973 in who in 05 :3 0. There is sekstil with Sun behaves similarly in 12 House. But, as me seems, here not Long plays role, but rather his types in 4 House in opposition to Mars in 10 House. Have him Mars good place ranks - Aries in 10 House, but he raze not manifests itself, nor in character, nor in career. Moreover, at work his not dootsenivayut and leave in the lower positions, 10 years not was no developments., though he has testimony one of best. Have husband mother in House was leading, father "'s henpecked", husband brother in his almost 30 years until now lives with parents. And me why something seems, that this Pluto stems with mother husband and hence all problems with the rest attachments.

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Svea wrote:

Wu him Mars good place ranks - Aries in 10 House, but he raze not manifests itself, nor in character, nor in career. Moreover, at work his not dootsenivayut and leave in the lower positions, 10 years not was no developments., though he has testimony one of best.

I'm going to argue with you, can be? :jumping: This is not because of Mars in 10 st House. Have your husband blood regardless 10 th Neptune on kuspide 6 th: Here is it, subordinate position! Mars in Ovne in 10 st fought his way up would, but have him Mars virtually on kuspide 11 th, so (in my opinion) better interpret his in the contestant side.

Svea wrote:

Wu husband mother in House was leading, father "'s henpecked", husband brother in his almost 30 years until now lives with parents. And me why something seems, that this Pluto stems with mother husband and hence all problems with the rest attachments.

Can be. Until I with its opinion on this expense not decided. But one thing in sight clearly: Have your husband good-looking such oao-squaring with the tip in 12 st House and on this the pinnacle of the Sun in Raque and South afternoon knot (’). Here is where fears, likely, although version of with Pluto, too, will abandon for consideration.

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Радуга wrote:

but have him Mars virtually on kuspide 11 th, so (in my opinion) better the endowment, his in the contestant side.

With a head of 10 homes would argue)) But Mars increasingly same dalekovat until kuspida 11 homes. Cannot be say, that husband at all nor never not routinely received shop management office, was deal, when he ran large shop electronics. On present place work 2 year ago he received place in office, but only briefly, cause of rapid shift ago were personal affairs between me and the main chief of the firms.

Радуга wrote:

although version of with to Dis, too, will abandon for consideration.

I somewhere smiled, that if mother in family bossy, it can even go on 10 home. And the pluto in 4 House points to overbearing a parent. That think?

PS. Can be in my side to speak "you"?

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Svea wrote:

But Mars increasingly same dalekovat until kuspida 11 homes.

Yes not are, 6 degrees.

Svea wrote:

There say, that husband at all nor never not routinely received shop management office, was deal, when he ran large shop electronics.

Javadxan, means, all-??? was deal :) His trigon with famous Neptune Fountain - can be regarded so: Man actively and deliberately markets their professional ambitions (in the best sense this words), but within its point assembly (on Neptune sextile: Commitment to, victimhood). Again same, this aspect of can to speak and about support leadership, and about how, that husband without work not will remain.

Svea wrote:

At present place work 2 year ago he received place in office, but only briefly, cause of rapid shift ago were personal affairs between me and the main chief of the firms.

This, perhaps, any tranzity over :question:

Svea wrote:

I somewhere smiled, that if mother in family bossy, it can even go on 10 home. And the pluto in 4 House points to overbearing a parent. That think?

Think, yes :rain: I think, that a man in childhood had been submitted psychological violence (as option). The opposition in oao-of increasing is asking problem, and the opposition have him Mars-types. Color blocks as horns she unless in this a defenceless rache the Sun with Uhl in 12 forge the Pressing on psychology, of course, can be. Hence and "fear, frightening." Opaslivost, caution, fears - this at all all from vocabulary degree of Cancer.

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