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Neptune in Vodolee - ekzaltatsiya or fall?

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Stop sign, Rainbow! :huh:
Neptune in Vodolee ekzaltiruet! This Pluto here in crippling.

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Юра wrote:

Neptune in a Vodolee ekzaltiruet!

There is on the subject different opinion, someone argues so, someone otherwise. I leaning on people on view VShKA.

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If that, I on Levin leaning on people :writing:

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Радуга wrote:

I leaning on people on view VShKA.

Opened lecture VShKA. Neptune ekzaltiruet in Vodolee. At all something about senior planets different schools different argue.

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Lud_mila wrote:

Opened lecture VShKA.

M. B. Levin. Lecture on astrology: Initial course. Ch.3. - M.: Dealt with by CAI, 1992.
Strange. 31: "Fall"

"Neptune in Vodolee too kontrasten. Neptune in map Russia in Vodolee, and Russia under sign have. Here we see and feel psychology contrast, contrasts their faith someone else's faith; large take division, trend to ideological the beat, ideological polarization, protivopostavleniyu precisely in ideological sphere, that very characteristically for Neptune in Vodolee. Star the sky (symbol of have) opposes global Ocean, a head of which is Neptune. "

Lud_mila wrote:

Generally something about senior planets different schools different argue.

This yes. And the exit I here see only one. This track what events will occur and on accents calculate where the truth :) Who believes, that Neptune in a Vodolee in ekzaltatsii? What your forecasts? :question:

PySy. Respect Levin and later his view, if anything his arguments convincing (in my opinion).

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'm just wondering was would to know, that says Levin now on this about.
"Calculate truth" - this very interesting thought (I seriously)!
Here is can that offer.
1. Abide two axis: 00Tel00 / 00Sko00 - axis upraviteley and 00Lev00 / 00Vod00 - axis ekzaltantov.
2. Abide couple of the Sun / Long and kindly draw within circle Zodiacs two pryamougolnichka on sights Chinese system-ind-izgn-of the. Notice, as increasingly symmetrically looks relatively these axles.
3. Abide couples Mars / Pluto, Saturn / Uranus (, Jupiter / Neptune and can be Venus / Proserpine. Kindly draw on analogies rectangles for known (Mars, FC Saturn Jupiter) planets, and then on the principle of symmetry for unknowns (types, Uranus (, Neptune).
Get and governance and France (on the principle of semblance).

That I recall, that publications various systems upraviteley was about dozen. Open journal EAF NSGI summer force by mutual consent pending.
Article W. Gorbatsevich "United system obiteley and ekzaltatsii planets." Have difficulty finding together references to other the publication.

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Юра wrote:

We receive and governance and France (on the principle of semblance)

And on sense?

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Радуга wrote:

A on sense?

And although would take A. Submarine "liquidity-preference astrology. Planet "
Neptune in Vodolee. Likes dream about the future. Vested meditation. On high-level create new notions and entire languages. On low rather is happening destruction past their prime forms of (those same languages. This generation markets breakthrough in the future.
However, on-Avessalomu Neptune kulminiruet in Raque. XLI. :suspicious:

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Jur, you me excuse please, but JSC. Underwater for me being highly intricate workings of :D and not quite convincing. When need to in astrologicheskuyu meditation sign, he in the most times. And for crack, analitichnskogo of knowledge as something not moreover :no:
Don, Neptune this dissolving the, unity. Ah what here Actis Systems near is worth? Here is I have one comrade there is. I as uranicheskaya venerianka all time vividly polykhayu all raznotsvetyami his 5 th homes, and he neptunianets, he as something Isaev me approach find and not is fought on these emotional provocations :) A I all time as an astrologer as would side watch, think: Here is interestingly, as Neptune in 1 House manifests itself? And very say the and remarkable he manifests itself! Indeed it dissolves also blurs any conflict, any creating disharmony, then humor, then dushevnostyu its. I his in during and in bad mood even and not remember as something :dontknow: A here is I have Uranus as times vividly expressed. Yes what there as soft! Emotions very bright, "strident", instant powerful upswings as on the huge range. And here is when I with clients’ve worked, then Neptune insurance is, so as on the border 6 / 7 lives. Here is here I have and as soft emerges, and patience, and he and tuh HaVaYaH and tuh be an RSM. Of course, it have different schools different approaches and understandable, that every will find something its, but here is personally me close approach Levin, he as something compelling :)

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I the thought, that "for famous Neptune Fountain -" need to diving walk.
And here is interestingly, have no astrologer Uranus not strong? T. E. What only cannot be explain?
And here is how Mars "manages" e-e-Dora Is logical ekzaltirovat in an? Mars with Saturn enemies however.
Me close the approach, which gives explanation seats dispossession and ekzaltatsiy all planets immediately. On strictly while rules without "razbrodov and shataniy in interest groups who benefit from bearded and mastitykh meters." Crap for okrovennost. :tomato:

Last edited by Юра (May 21 2009 18:47:25)

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Юра wrote:

A here is how Mars "manages" e-e-Dora Is logical ekzaltirovat in the Goat? Mars with Saturn enemies however.

Yes, is true. • in love • put boiling water me in impasse :)

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Юра wrote:

Mars with Saturn enemies however.

Sometimes, for achievements goal enemies combine to produce! :disappointed:

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Let masters you have not in honor, pick up volumes K courage quoting E. Kasheninu.

Actis Systems. Desire to show themselves (exile sun) being achieved through shestibalnyy Uranus - innovations, ideas, shoulder behavior and assertion these innovations (the second blood regardless Saturn). Helps them belief, religion, collective values or ability to withdraw from reality(ekzaltiruet Neptune). Force wasted is wasted on desire to manage other people or to manipulate them (fall Pluto).

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Lud_mila
Such fold and shaped (for me) description of. Thank you.
Exactly, and this from lectures or?
Give ssylochku, pl :)

Last edited by Tania T (May 22 2009 08:04:50)

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Let us until will continue the review papers works by? So, from the same science book Levin (many letters, quote the Long):

"The next the notion of, slightly less important, than ownership, - ekzaltatsiya, or rise. She also links quality planet and mark, ekzaltatsiya - the second on strength after ownership. Here there is their nuances, associated with those, that a badge of ekzaltatsii not fully sozvuchen planet, he oppresses or discourages have the any something its qualities, but reinforces other. When planet is in signs ekzaltatsii, she slightly "others", - one side its strengthened further by, another - weakened by.

The notion of ownership gives different axis describe planets, than the notion of ekzaltatsii, which encompassed in astrology later, or at least has peaked until us from more later sources, than the notion of ownership. About ekzaltatsii there is different opinion, and not for all planets worked out the single view. excitement - as would strengthening actions planet, when its activity increases.A completeness manifestations of planet reaches in signs Vladeniya.

. The most more disputes go about ekzaltatsii Neptune and Pluto. Virtually all Astrologers consider, that these planet ekzaltiruyut on axis "Lev - Actis Systems", but what planet where, arrangements until there is no.

Why I believe, that Neptune sextile fits a badge of Leo? This in sight, in primarily, coming from symbolic considerations and astrological logic. Neptune - this ultimate Love and the most striking its expression of - in heart of. Precisely in heart of is placing services archetypes, hereditary images world, world perception, span multiple in ambient and deep meditation, and also tribal archetypes, national, racial; relatedness on blood - action Neptune. Still Solomon spoke: "" thoughts in serdetse human - deep water, but man a sensible Engineers is taking over a their(own, gl.20, st.5). In this not only foreign Spicy side Leo, but and internal - water, hidden from eye Ocean. We see creative impotence Leo precisely as born in conceals subconscious Neptune, hence -bogatoe imagination, artistry Leo, ability to to personification, perevoploscheniyu. This artistry not characterized for Pluto and very fits Neptune sextile.

Moreover, Lev is the unifying sign, source of unity, fully belonging, sign Tsarist power, pomazannichestva. Precisely in period Pisces Tsars, power reached its culminated, originated great empire, religious state (for example, Sacred Western Roman empire, existed with starters era Pisces), and in an era have they crumbling. Many considerations and in favor of have, although-party participatory democracy, pluralism have and his kategorichnost, no compromise, the impossibility matched different perspective on one and the same subject utterly not characterize Neptune. As has shown the Age of Pisces, Neptune gives homogenous approach to everything, tries to do all conflate. In senior their manifestations he seeks to development human individuality, but would still he as would absolves differences, unites and inaccuracy.

Actis Systems - very contrast a badge of, polyarizuyuschiy differences, is lifting, this, emphasizes their. This not characteristically as for Neptune, so and for Leo, which dissent--online all united light. Some Astrologers consider, that Pluto should ekzaltirovat in question, because precisely Pluto possesses lings unifying force. However this argument not Felix Blumenfeld, because this force have Neptune significantly higher, than have Pluto. Unity Pluto - unity actions and will, and unity Neptune - unity dawn, and links together Neptune not will of the, not force, and love. Love unites the world, supports his whole. Apostle John says: God there is Love(1’s the Epistles John, gl.4, St.8). If to return to an astrological language, then Neptune pits unity, and in environment this unity already can act and Uranus, and Pluto.

And finally, historical experience past years showed, that relatedness on Neptune sextile significantly stronger, than on Pluto. We saw, as uniform public, political, social, education failing on the eyes of, when enters in action Neptune. When face unity on blood (national movement) or unity on faith (religious movement), which are governed Neptune, with publications public, social, political, party, - and they under Pluto, - the egregorialnye, plutonovy structures not retain. The link Neptune it turns out to the tyre ties Pluto. This can be watch not only on territory former Soviet Union, but and in other countries, – previously socialist orientation, which, seemed would, must be less are subject to such a influence. As only traced religious movement, public and party structures are beginning crumble.

Pluto stems with collective publications. If this not concerns his indivivdualnykh outpouring, such as the magical ability to, then in primarily his associate precisely with publications collective, mass. Pluto manages egregorami, - psevdosuschnostyami that stem in a result unification people in state, party, mafia, army, social groups, emerging on soil common interests, akess common goal and Jose Padilla principle unity will, often akess hierarchical structure.

Egregory. Possess separate and independent existence, but not that. This means, that until there is form of on physical terms of, external Funds, egregor there is on expense his elements. If disappear physical body egregora, then disappears and he entirely. He has no immortal souls and train with spirit, and also self-sustaining dawn outside time. All these education - purely demiurgicheskie and obey "grand duke world stingy."

Man, as well as and people and Church, possesses the Divine essence of, and not only existence. The head of the church - Christ, the Messenger of Divine, and she also possesses eternal lives, remarkable Nachalom. So Church not egregor, and body of Christ, and in it His'm immortal Spirit, and state is mortal and Spirit not possesses. That is why destruction state as forms is happening less painfully and with smaller consequences, than demise people. Even death with the Divine perspective far more serious event, than ruin state. The state has no eternity, it - only in time.

That is why Pluto not can ekzaltirovat in fiery signs, after all Lev - a badge of, emblematic tertiary an enduring The Beginning, tertiary "I" human, Supreme Center, and them owns the Sun. Pluto can be sozvuchen a badge of Aries - a badge of physical, from over actions, but not Lev - Fire spiritual, domestic. And ekzaltirovat he should in Vodolee because, that Actis Systems - unification many exists in a single. Aquarius - star with the, many's finest exists, he make more active just proyavletsya in of group reaches. And if seek among the elements, a badge of ekzaltatsii Pluto can be air or waters, but not in lasting case not fiery. Why? In there is no there is no individuality, Fire would subspec into starters, he is born from unification exists. Spirit of human is born from Center for world and manifests itself on Earth, around him is shaped soul, then - body, unification many (, and egregor arises reverse-by, after, as oyuedinyayutsya initiate essence. This characteristically for Conditioning and Water, which have there is no self-sustaining center, but not for of Fire.

Can be conduct historical analysis. So, Pluto penetrated in a badge of have in 1775-76 s, and in a badge of Leo - in 1939. Eventual in Actis Systems serve a start war for independence in America and had new unity, created a new people and new society, based on collective will - democracy.

Eventual in a badge of Leo led to division of peace on two than half, very prolonged conflict our era, to the second global war, and after it - to Cold war. And this lasted, until Pluto not penetrated in a badge of his ownership - in a scorpion, then this standoff was destroyed and began new unification on more vysokoma level. So, Pluto in Vodolee spawned unification, and, in question - disconnection, which was filmed only in 1997-. "

Aviadvigatel PS. If anything the author detail’s rationale was its view.

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Tania T wrote:

a lude, and this from lectures or?

This from books its. But why something I its not find in Internet, even cover not can you demonstrate.
Homes'll take a look, as she is called. Blue one such a and a small in scope.

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Tania T wrote:

Sometimes, for achievements goal enemies combine to produce!

Military! :)

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Lud_mila wrote:

House'll take a look, as she is called. Blue one such a and a small in scope.

Thank you, Ludmilla, me seems I that I recall - in Belikh sprays seen, truth I have its there is no, there is learning log lectures only and the not all (played hooky on humor reasons :flirt:)

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Very long I wanted to on their own deal in this issue and even wrote graduate work (System ekzaltatsiy and dispossession planets on the basis of of occult principles in astrology), but subject this not yet ratified. Work this there is in elektr. The form of, but without drawings. Drawings can scan and here). Interestingly?

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Юра wrote:

Interesting?

What you ask about?! Of course. I think, that all was would interestingly and helpful relinquishes benchmark things still times.
Jur, and why subject not yet ratified, if not secret?

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