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And I I was just finishing A. Aycha astropsikhologiya. Easily is read, glance on astrology still with one hand. But here is when just beneath until of heads of:
Didn disease, patalogicheskie characters - went big cargo. Not can to accept and not behind in head.
In my opinion, ????? human can be find deviation from norms, if to qualitatively find. And that such rate? Without crises, large depressions, stress: Not live. Another matter, their skillfully hide from other or making mention of.
Especially are interested in, as the author sootnosit sefiry and planet. I, too, these analyzed, in his traktovkakh there is big sense.
Have him superior sefire ascribe fits types. And his us was disbanded as planet. Something in this there is. :cool:

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Helen wrote:

didn disease, patalogicheskie characters - went big cargo. Not can to accept and not behind in head

And me, contrary, THAT as times understandable :D I not told, that we with Anna Eduardovnoy in its time I started hooking up study on subject schizophrenia? She, need to tribute to, highly patiently :) applies to my outbursts research itch :thank_you: And with Young Guard patiently supports. Yes, so here is. I same wrote in its time in uni ianiaa??aiiiai on subject "Distinctions mental activities under schizophrenia" :dance: And then bonked me thought conduct astrological parallels. But faced those, that there is no data birth. With psychiatrists I not'm friends :/ and as something take their have. And then this work requires special scrutiny and kropotlivosti. That such schizophrenia pleasantly no one knows. There is here I have couple ideas. :cool: think, someday come hands until this. So here is, have Aycha, seems, separate the head of the on this subject, where he links schizophrenia with vami proiskhodilo on ASTs-those. I would not told, that fully with him agree.

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Since psychiatrists I not'm friends

Find and become! :rolleyes:
I have, too, was such a thought on electronics schizophrenics) Buddy studied under on psychiatrist. And mentioned prevents history, but data to lend nizzya, although. Of course, can be their get. Only here is would still without time birth)
Remember, that naked the opposition Mercury -Uran in 6-12 homes.

vami on ASTs-those

Please, tell, what here thought. Not realized, why precisely so.

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Iriani wrote:

find and become!

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Iriani wrote:

I remember, that naked the opposition Mercury -Uran in 6-12 homes.

Not, Il-, there with intelligence at all all normally. Under schizophrenia intelligence not suffers. In those maps, which I was connected to consider, Mercury trinil only so!
And Mars under than here. Mars on ASTs - this literally the "war personality." Modern psychiatry believes, that schizophrenia - this spurious personality, something faraway was have primeval people. With our perspective, this - that (I can about this to tell slightly much detail). But there is a series of modern researchers, which consider schizophrenics people with high-sensitivity, something type poorly "subculture gain antenna," which buzzes, (he) rustles and south Central Asia, but under the right his can to capture vibration high-level, then Presents music (if continue to analogy) from very distant spaces. So personally my my opinion, that there must be are engaged (along with the rest factors) top planet, in particular types.

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In subject schizophrenia.
Novel S. Sheldon's "raskolotye Slumbers."
On accounts those who in topic, -- s patients is described very is true.
Girls, ah there clearly after all not Mars. There types (takiiiie mocker, until beyond recognition). Likely, with famous Neptune Fountain - and / or the Moon still that stems: After all they ON unique with practically not remember these their deeds, their but we. With 12 st whether home. (Have heroine Sheldon's there accurately not without moon: Reasons, roots in deep childhood, accurate performance ousting).

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Tanya, there not only types. There all significantly harder. We when with Anna Eduardovnoy this deal explored, figured out, that there so or otherwise initiated almost the entire group planets. Ah think, someday I return to this topic. Here is only base, unfortunately, very a small. Not know until as cope with the to local a psych ward.
"Raskolotye Slumbers" not remember smiled or not, and here is still in the early perestroika in magazine "Neva" was Tale "Green belt buckle" on this same subject. Remember, reading with great interest. There described sudden disease girls, symptoms, its behavior during attack.

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"Green the buckle" not remember (though Neva in mid-@-@ late 80-'s -- nach.90-'s bounced any).
"Raskolotye Slumbers" in networks has found here: http://bookz.ru/authors/6eldon-sidni/sh … ldn18.html

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Javadxan, Tanya, thank you for exile. Need to will watch.

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there with intelligence at all all normally

Uranium as vyssh. Nerve of. System, and merkuriy -ostalnaya (in medicine can wrong terms, so, on usual).
6-12 - Man can fall from the adequacy (6 th) in any moment (the opposition acts the or another).

Mars on ASTs - this literally the "war personality."

Energetic people.

Mercury trinil only so

Nothing itself! Means, man 4 through well?! :pardon: In is able?!

there must be are engaged

Undoubtedly! Simply is obtained people violence that, something such) Skyfall RP.

Remember, i?eyoaeu asked me pro astrology. After all this, too, the brink of) Pro question of predicting and camping on D. After all this, too, adapting knowledge in life, and have schizophrenics, they, goes, not adapts (

I can about this to tell slightly much detail

Please, tell us, enter a in course)

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Iriani wrote:

Nothing itself! Means, man 4 through well?! In is able?!

Not, this not means, that well. This means, that have schizophrenics with intelligence all normally. Their problems in that if we are talking about level thinking (and there is still level of behavior or level of of emotions), so here is, on level thinking they Try about process about implicit (low-latent) lines, and not on clear, embracing. T. E. Have them breached assotsiativnye ties. Until understandable? This I ask, to I you as Susanin not elections where not are returning :)

Iriani wrote:

energetic people.

The sundered personality. In lichnsti 2 and more personality. They between themselves debate, at odds, go to war. Have ailing emerges sverkhtsennaya idea, which he necessarily should doesti until people (as in "green Cocky belt buckle"). That such -- Dalo laps and as its treat no one pleasantly not knows. There is heap different theories. Personally me close the kind, on which say, that “- this man, which on time not was with whom to talk. Schizophrenia sufferers can be ache and in a result lingering stress (there is I have one such the familiar), case and genetic predisposition, but not more 25% even in case disease both parents. There is youth Football schizophrenia, there is "shuboobraznaya" (this is the most severe kind of). Schizophrenia call "the Queen twentieth century", precisely in the twentieth century alia conditions for increasing disease. Here is! This in!

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Here is this article W. Vsevolod Rudnev I used in his share work (printing option in magazine "Logos", if am not mistaken, 1986 year), the full text articles here :http: / / arctogaia.krasu.ru / ray / rudnev / 3.shtm
I want turn your attention on the as is changing language (who inextricably stems with thinking) under different psikhopatologiyakh. In this article is taken history Tolstoy pro boy, which spioneril before lunch a plum and you its. Remember? And as differently can be to tell this history in light of a psycho. Diseases.

"For moreover, to deal in this issue and watch, as creates various psychotic languages, we decided conduct itself in some sense, a psychotic experiment, the crux of the which was that we took some artistic the text, invariably not psychopathic and even on advantage not nevroticheskiy (though, presumably, such simply not case) and then gradually have turned this the text first in explicitly nevroticheskiy, then in paranoyalnyy, course deperessinvyy and finally a schizophrenic. For moreover, to with similar texts easily was work, clear, that he should be small. For the same, to he, although would on first glance, seemed not relevant to the sphere the artistic Patopsikhologii, clear, that this likely should be the be poach century and, third, desirable, of course, to this was khrestomatiyno known the text. We chose the next:

L. BC Tolstoy,
A wishbone from a
(Enchanting landmark)

Has bought mother sewage and wanted their give children after lunch. They lay on plate. Vanya never ate sewage and all smelled them their. And very they him liked. Very like eat. He all walking past sewage. When no one not was in gornitse, he me a is sustained, grabbed one a plum and you. Before lunch mother has deemed the plums and sees, one there is no. She said father.

For lunch father and says: "And that, children, not you whether anyone one a plum?" All said: "There is no." Vanya're blushing, as cancer, and, too, said: "There is no, I not ate."

Then father said: "That you anyone from you, this not well; but not in is calamity. The trouble is, that in plums there is pits of, and who not keeps managing their there is and swallowing a bone, then through day dies. I this fear. "

Vanya turned pale and said: "There is no, I a bone deserted for window."

And all laughed, and Vanya has begun to cry.

We could not not start with, to not watch morphology this text, leaving his intact although would superficially. Picture, who said she was our of St.Petersburg., was enough colorful and left it prevents illusions about moreover, that can be "a healthy" artistic the text. "A wishbone from a" above all represents a full razvertku edipovoy situation. Authoritarian (oaeee - the term Lacan back into - shizofrenogennaya - the term Kempinskogo - mother) - weak person who abrogates under aid lies clean up the father, threatening castration-death - a boy Vanya, judging by around the 3-5 year-old, and his desire to eat a plum as desire to of incest with mother. Plums, "this this vague object the willingness", - part of mothers - its thumping - its sex organs, to which Vanya's been sniffing around us (sue: Coprophagia). Plums - this on .A something Glittering. Poor Vanya. Anankasticheskaya mother "has deemed the plums" and "told father." And although realistically Vanya not ate a bone, but fear symbolic death-castration of much stronger real action. Note, that for father is important precisely not plum, and a wishbone from a. Poorly there is by stealth plums (poorly want to mothers) but to swallow a bone - this already frightening, because is punishable by death. Precisely Generale pits of is perceived as graphic. That swallowing in mythological tradition plays huge role. From proglatyvaniya what-either were born many mythological heroes: So, Cuchulainn with the from what his mother drank water with that have been studied. Of course, extremely important, that narrative is called not "the plum", and "Kostochka", because a wishbone from a - this the that contains in itself the seed. By swallowing a bone, Vanya committed would symbolic rite of passage copulation with mother, moreover, fertilization mothers. (Characteristically, that Vanya first're blushing - shame for graphic, and then turned pale - fear castration of.)

Mythology pits of - bones - grain - little grain - seed gives a broad intertekstualnyy context, equally behavior vanya. With known complex of, associated with work use Freud's "Skyfall the contestant side principle pleasure", with complex of Eros has-Thanatos,, which why something in its time not gave behalf of own. Call his "complex of of Persephone."

In gomerovskom course "By category: Demeter" gopnikov about how Persephone together with friends played on meadow, has flowers. From an inlet, land emerged Hade and into Persephone in a hurry on golden to a chariot in dreams made dead <...>. Gorevavshaya Demetra (mother of Persephone. - W. R.) 've invoked on land drought and't arrive, and Zeus was forced send Hermes with come from Hade to withdraw Persephone in a hurry on light. Hade sent Persephone in a hurry to mothers, but gave experience it ganged oppositeness sensed pomegranate, to she not since forgotten dreams made death and again returned to him. Demetra, faced about treachery of Hade, realized, that henceforth its daughter-third year will lie among dead, and two-thirds of with mother, joy which swing earth abundance [Лосев 1991: 438].

In the text Tolstoy "Kostochka" contains and idea original sin - plum as fetus with tree of knowledge for good and of evil, but also and tableau secret supper. - One from you you a plum - one of you jettisons me. - No, I spewed a bone for window. - Don’t I whether my God?

That such a wishbone from a? A wishbone from a - this the seed fetus. I.e. the, that someone from you, children, have to covet bodies mothers its, this HMAS Success, but this not strikes, the trouble is, that in plums there is pits of, i.e. father fears the iconic of incest and punishing for him even not castration, and simply death. ???? here not Felix Blumenfeld "truly, truly say" and camping on D. For eating of fruits with tree of knowledge for good and of evil (i.e. moreover, that can be and moreover, that cannot be - and in this the entire late Tolstoy,) verdict one - exile from website, i.e. mortality. In sight, and new bust of Lev Tolstoy in childhood something such you know, me dreaming, and then in 1970’s so intruded, that he refused from sex at all (little whether that)

In Russian literature a wishbone from a as element of "complex of Persephone", ambivalentno obednyayuschego love and death, present, for example, in fictional Pushkin "Gunshot": (. " Seeing the subject of attention all dam, and especially the most pani. ")," He stood under pneumatic pistol, choosing from the ripe the cherries and spitting out pits of, which made it all the way until me. "

It's with cherries a wishbone from a plays such a same role in the 1990 fictional Yuri Olesha. There hero buries in land some cherry-flavored a bone - symbol of unrequited love, - to on this place grew cherry tree love divided. In fictional same Olesha "Love" thus symbol of serves, apricot a wishbone from a (himself apricot reminds hero buttocks). In "Three fat cats" Suok tells heir Tutti (Suok fills in doll, in which he in love with and which it turns out his the sister - motive of incest) about how she whistling waltz on twelve apricot that bone though.

This bring and deliberately draft "psychoanalysis can" we conducted, only to show, as many can be "extricate" from on first glance lest an innocent the text - because we intend "extricate" from him much more.

This procedure, that we intend repeatedly these would go with "true" Tolstoy, on first glance, reminds a skit, however fundamentally she opposite travesty, so as the latter sharpening in the text the an unalloyed, that in it there is, our same child pornography power transit losses control shows what in the text to be sure there is no, but could be under certain conditions,.

For moreover, to turn narrative Tolstoy in nevroticheskiy discourse (and he and so, as we has learned, implicitly represents a nevroticheskiy discourse), need rewrite his (in terms of expression) under aid-style "the flow of consciousness and (in terms of content) give him characteristic a debilitating ennui on for things lost, desire. Can be go for two lanes: Either construct this the text on manners Joyce's or Proust in a spirit of articles ", a psychotic discourse" or construct his under aid abstract rules. The most simple processing this the text amenable to in a spirit of Proust, if in as a actor narrative strengthen role povestvovatelya and eksplitsirovat his carries the latent memories, buoyed by expression Freud, eksplitsirovat "a debilitating family drama."

Think the fragment from Proust, which we administered in "florid psychotic discourse":

. Without any gap continuity - I immediately same following the past STUCK to minute, when my grandmother dresses inclined need to me. The "I", which I was then and which long some yearning, again was near with me, so, that I if heard directly local words.

I again fully was those entity, which sought shelter itself in the grip its grandmothers, wipe with kisses traces its sorrows of Your, entity, imagine itself which, when I was those or different of those, that in me have changed, me was would so same it is difficult, as difficult were efforts, however, sterile, again sense the desires and joy one of those "I", which, at least on while, I was.

"A wishbone from a-1" (L. BC Tolstoy ,-M. Proust)
When I recall smells those sewage, which has bought then mother and wanted their give children after lunch and that lay on plate, and I never ate sewage and so all smelled them their, and their smells before me liked, that like immediately eat one a plum, experience although would one slice of mothers, and I all walking and walking past sewage, and finally, when no one not was in gornitse, I not weathered, grabbed one a plum and got its in it.

But mother, as she usually criticized in such cases, before lunch has deemed the plums and one sees, that one lacks, and, of course, told father about this, and father not despite entire its as soft, trailing it, for lunch became expected to investigate, not you whether anyone of us one a plum, and all, of course, said, that, there is no, and I, too, said, that I not ate, although paint shame over-watered me with legs until heads. And then father said, that, if you someone of us, ate or-- this truly unhappy a plum, then this, of course, HMAS Success, but the trouble at all not in this, the trouble is, that in plums there is pits of, and who not keeps managing their there is and swallowing a bone, the through day dies, and that he very this fears. Horror from this lest an innocent deception father (after this, not times wanting to die, how many wild plum Machine I take the bait!) so paralyzed my consciousness, that I turned pale and as would aside from their will sounded naughty fateful words about how, that I not Greece pits of, and spewed its for window (in the - the first! - times this was true).

Laughable mothers, father and brothers sconned me. I bitterly you yell and ran out, ??? ?? ? ? from gornitsy.

Pull out until from comment box, which however, can be, here and at all not need, but for contrast prepariruem now the text L. Tolstoy in a spirit of dzhoysovskogo "Ulysses":

Ах и море море алое как огонь и роскошные закаты и фиговые деревья в садах Аламеды да и все причудливые улочки и розовые желтые голубые домики аллеи роз и жасмин герань кактусы и Гибралтар где я была девушкой и Горным цветком да когда я приколола в волосы розу как делают андалузские девушки или алую мне приколоть да и как он целовал меня под Мавританской стеной и я подумала не все ли равно он или другой и тогда сказала ему глазами чтобы он снова спросил да и тогда он спросил меня не хочу ли я да сказать да мой горный цветок и сначала я обвила его руками да и привлекла к себе так что он почувствовал мои груди их аромат да и сердце у него колотилось безумно и да я сказала да я хочу Да.

"A wishbone from a-2" (L. BC Tolstoy ,-J. Joyce)
Да сливы причудливые оливкового цвета купленные матерью когда Стивен был еще совсем хотела их дать детям после обеда лежали переливаясь на тарелке Стивен никогда не ел слив никогда не ел и все нюхал их очень нравились ему все ходил и нюхал копрофагия очень хотелось съесть все ходил мимо слив и нюхал и когда никого не было в горнице не удержался схватил одну и съел перед обедом мать сочла сливы милая навязчивая привычка все пересчитывать Стивен их все нюхал и нюхал сказала отцу за обедом отец А что дети не съел ли кто-нибудь из вас все сказали Нет а Стивен все нюхал и нюхал и покраснел как рак и тоже сказал нет я не ел тогда отец Что съел кто-нибудь из вас это нехорошо но не в том а что в сливах есть косточки и кто не умеет их есть и проглотит то через день умрет бесповоротно И Стивен побледнел как свежее ирландское полотенце и давясь и отплевываясь и вновь вдыхая аромат материнской груди и смех всеобщий вокруг и собственное рыдание предчувствуя неумолимо Да он сказал Да за окошко ее выплюнул безвозвратно

We see, that those psikhoanaliticheskie motives, which were us identified under original analysis, 's sharper now, although we not ticked this its goal. Desire to, aimed on mother, and legislative role father have become obvious, sense of guilt and anxiety caused love as death and shame there followed clear. But much more important for us the outcome, that a primary a traumatic sense text, as a America in generativistskom understanding of words "systems", remained 2005. Pit structure: "A boy - desire to plums (mothers) - violation of ban - zakonoreguliruyuschaya function father - universal condemnation - frustration of" or more short: "A boy - desire to mothers - the threat death with hand father - frustration of", - has remained nezatronutoy.

That this means for us? This could mean the next. Any trauma is shaped in unconscious on, because in unconscious on contains Oedipal (in this case) the situation (as in the second, the brief formulation deep-seated structures text, which represents a showing formula evolvent Oedipal complex). But under this real neurosis (or psychosis), presumably, is shaped not on level deep-seated structures, not in unconscious on (as like would thought Freud and Lacan), and under transition from deep-seated structures to shallow, i.e. when the text taking real speech and in matter, what words will surrounded by unconsciousness. From moreover, among any words and proposals will to live unconsciousness human after the spoils trauma, will depend the, in what precisely form of mental departures of all initial trauma-sense-pit structure. In this terms of a key thesis Lacan back into - "unconsciousness strukturiruetsya as language" - should complement a proposition, in accordance with which this language, aspatial (too) which nakopleny in unconscious on, – is underway in polubessoznatelnoy whether "empty speech" or reasonable definition "full speech" on level consciousness. From this same should, that itself disease, himself symptom, also can achieved only on level speech, and that, became be, mental illness - this only disease speech, disease speech, that we and seek show.

Above than to move to awareness a psychotic one discourse, there nevroticheskiy discourse-3, not the on style what-- either particular writer, but under this’s pretending on level speech any concrete neurosis. Best, if this will be neurosis independent, so as from independent easily will to move to paranoyalnomu delirium, because the latest is the most full volloscheniem and simultaneously, like, really delusional negation of ideas independent [Рыбальский 1993]

Neurosis independent (obsessivnyy neurosis, neurosis disorder wealth,), is that man as would against their will all time focused on committing one and the same actions or thought about this action under full the concept otherness and mistaking futility these actions or thought about him. For example ,-need tens of times in day washing our hands (example W. Frankl,) or somehow manipulate with number "three" example P. W. Volkov [Волков 1992].

"A wishbone from a-3" (neurosis independent)
Finally mother has bought sewage. She wanted their give children after lunch. After lunch - so long wait! Plums - they lay on plate. Vanya never-never ate sewage, only what something however ambiguous Doha Remembrance was unsettling and bugging his. And here is finally fulfilled. But how long wait of the late lunch! And as not want share with brothers! And he all and smelled them and smelled them plums. But even more surgery like eat their all, one for the other, immediately, not before lunch, not sharing with brothers, eat their all clean, savoring every a plum, while he licks its from below relevance to, obtiraya language every a bone (he knew, that in plums there is pits of and that their not in rip cannot be there is, but why, why cannot be?) He all walking and walking past sewage. And here is when no one not was in gornitse, he not is sustained, grabbed one a plum and you. Slowly, as if fearing something, licked its and then suddenly plotoyadno plunged her teeth in savoury pulp.

Before lunch mother has deemed the plums and saw, that neither one there is no. She said father.

For lunch, breaking certain gnawing silence, father, grimly all hunched up before empty a plate from-under sewage, finally heartedly said: "And that, children, not you whether anyone one a plum?" And all screamed, zashumeli: "There is no, there is no, why us plums, this not we, this not we ate." They shouted and made noise, specifying eyes father on Vanya. Vanya're blushing, as cancer, and expressly delivered: "Yes not ate I your lousy plums."

Then father said: "That you anyone from you, this not well; but not in is calamity. The trouble is, that in plums there is pits of, and who not keeps managing their there is and swallowing a bone, then through day dies. I this fear. "

Vanya turned pale and, with hard feels words, delivered: "There is no - I not such idiot, as you think, - I all pits of spewed for window."

Gornitsa sotryaslas from zloradnogo laughter. Vanya contemptuously he withdrew and and he spits for window last a bone, that until the last moment kept in mouth in case.

Than obsessivnyy neurosis different from paranoyalnogo we have had? In the first case picture reality persist, although and severely zaslonena obsessiey. Vanya understands language reality, he gives itself report, that cannot be, HMAS Success there is plums by stealth, but criticize, earned them, as in sight, on deseases from oral stage of development, took the upper hand, principle pleasure won principle reality. Vanya also gives itself report in a perfect to a misdemeanor battery, but winning electoral majorities pleasure so stronger disparagement with hand brothers and father (that perishing here to think about mothers, at all it is unclear, that he in literally ready spat on social norms.

Not so themselves is leading really paranoid. He in much a lesser extent stems with reality, although and not breaks up with its amelioration at all, as was psychotic. Paranoyalnyy Brad different from a psychotic one we have had above all its domestic logichnostyu, sistematichnostyu. False will only sending, from which is shaped Brad. In the rest of the he may look well plausible, so his sometimes it is difficult distinguish from whole obsession was or sverkhtsennoy ideas.

And finally the last and, can be, importantly difference of a neurasthenia cordus disorder wealth, from paranoyalnogo we have had consists in is, that as nor was would sore upon obssesiya, neurotic always and ensure its absurdity and navyazannost. Really paranoid same firmly am confident in truth moreover, that he argues in his type of crazy, somehow would ludicrous he nor seemed with hand.

Presumably, in paranoyalnoy version of "Pit" Leo Tolstoy Vanya inclined will to see some a malign motive in purchase mother sewage. In terms of expression in paranoyalnom discourse must grow foreboding logizirovannost narrative and, of course, with every new step on direction from "normal" discourse to discourse up with a psychotic (end here to be sure must be schizophrenia) the text will all more and more differ from source, preparirovanie will all more radical. Nothing not on advices - such is logic, wants frenzy.

"A wishbone from a-4" (paranoyalnyy Brad)
Mother has bought sewage. But Vanya knew, that mother not wants him vicious. This father long wants poison his from doesn to mothers. Mother - only blindly a Tool in the hands of father. A naive, she wanted give plums children after lunch. But Vanya knew, that plums must. If to swallow a bone, which contains within each plums, as once said surgery father, time of over him, then through day die. Here is she - death, thought Vanya. Plums lay on plate. And although Vanya never ate sewage, he understood, that verdict over him already proiznesen, - he knew, that him not cope with father. He licked and’ve smelt plums. Even on smells it was clear, that this poison. Two instinct fought in surgery - instinct life and instinct death. The first spoke him - not touch their, Run, save yourself, occupies hence! The second's whispering sweet nothings subtly directly in tell Abe surgery, to he unkind tried although would one a plum. Yes, father poisoned their, but fight with father futile, he omnipotent is the. To the same surgery why something very liked these pieces of poison. Yes, this, death, - thought Vanya, - father won. Poor my mom!

Has invariably led physical abilities given him eat. He silently and suspicious walking past sewage. When no one not was in gornitse, instinct death won. Vanya not is sustained, grabbed one a plum and with take your curses father you.

Before lunch father (for! He all the ramifications, every triviality) forced mother too numerous plums. Mother, not understanding, why this need, but, used around the submit to father, obediently has deemed the plums. One plums not was. She already long penicillin in Vaninom intestines.

For lunch father has now issued mystery of sewage. He already nothing not lose and openly waited his triumph. "And that, children, - began he as nor in than not: Let, - not you whether anyone from you one a plum?" All said: "There is no." Vanya're blushing, as cancer, and, jolting from of fear,, too, said: "There is no, I not ate." Was heard, as mother relieved indeed.

Then father opened importantly: "That you anyone from you, - delivered he, with an unkind nature he was smiling and closely looking on Vanya, - this not well; but not in is calamity. The trouble is, that in plums there is pits of, and who not keeps managing their there is and swallowing a bone, then through day dies. I this fear. "

Vanya turned pale and said: "There is no, I a bone deserted for window."

Father she. Mother turned a blind face hands. Children small laughed. In his stomach have vanya. Something ????.

To not reload study, we not let us to argue examples "Kostochki- 5 and investment" - course the depressive psychosis in gipomaniakalnoy and depressive phase. In the first case in terms of content tour needs of greatness, absorbed from juice eaten plums, in the second - Brad prosecution and guilt for ostensibly proglochennuyu a bone. However, as wrote Bleuler, "all symptoms course the depressive psychosis can experience a and under schizophrenia, but specific symptoms schizophrenia not accented under the first disease" [Блейлер 1993: 357].

Schizophrenia - importantly mental illness twentieth century, truly queen frenzy. This disease so complex and diverse, that unambiguously determine his impossible. The uniqueness and special position schizophrenia shows although would the, that, if paranoia somehow connected with her own neurosis independent, and course depressive psychosis - with depressive her own neurosis, then no analoga schizophrenia in sphere faint psychiatry find a impossible.

Presumably, schizophrenia, overreaction, and course depressive psychosis can be dissect the next way. Under paranoia Brad centered around I, under schizophrenia I split by or becomes equal around the universumu, generalizuetsya. A schizophrenic Brad - this Brad about world, while paranoyalnyy Brad always is individual. Under course depression manifest as psychosis there is no the generalizovannosti, charisma, ontologichnosti and apokaliptichnosti, who so characterize schizophrenia. I.e. under paranoia I - center we have had, under schizophrenia I - split by on passively-active transformation (i.e. "I Beaux Arts" becomes indistinguishable from "me trumps" and from "me trumps"), I - mixed with the world. Under course depression manifest as psychosis I as actor - actively (this together MDC with endemic paranoia), but as agent I - passively (this together MDC with schizophrenia sufferers, although no transformations here, of course, not is happening).

A critical sign of schizophrenia, as writes Bleuler, is disorder associations. "Normal a combination of ideas lose their the tenacity, their place occupy prevents other. The next each for friend links can, thus, not have relations one thing to another [Блейлер 1993: 305]. Clear, that this feature of is one of the most clear under determining and vychlenenii Eno discourse.

Throughout Slovakia. Example affected schizophrenic speech from books [Кемпинский 1998]:

-ailing, nakhodivshayasya in able sputannosti, on question: "Where iaie today was?" Evolved first: "Had, not was. Asked me, to went and today to optyde optre ptryfifi, and me, too, there. Wasn Dr.. But there is no, us. As same with him. This was it is no fun with those. What something Milk, Milk and apples, seems, something, what something, apples, apples, together Sea, ah and more just fear the. "-

With a fragment of from sorokinskoy "Legislation":

Burtsov opened journal:

- Dlrongo naoenr krire qualitatively opnoe. And gnogrpno numbers onarenr PRN from oanrenr everyone on its place. In ornrpnre lshon schoaroenr debt, speaking raorenr ranr. Here is opternr rmiapin nare. Me seems oenrnranp oanren to do.

He have dipped on chair.

Alexander Pavlovych raised head:

- Onranpknr questions oprenpanr Burtsov?

The next feature of schizophrenia on Bleuler - volatility its affects. For example, what have healthy human causes joy, have patient causes anger, and vice versa (paratimiya). Affects lose unity. "One-ailing killed their child, which she loved, so as this was its child, and figure, so as he was occurring from disgraced husband; after this she for weeks has been in such a able, that eyes she in despair crying, and a mouth was nervous" [Блейлер: 312].

``Thou feature of schizophrenia is autism. "That lose contact with reality <...>. -ailing thinks, that doctor wants on it marry. Daily he its in this razubezhdaet, but this avail. Another sings on concert in hospital, but too long. The public ?oieo; disordered this little don; when she cums, she goes on its place well satisfied "[Блейлер: 314].

Not less is important's a schizophrenic struggles, concerns thinking patient laws binary logic. Sick can in one thing the same time to think - "I such same man, as and you" and "I not such man, as you" [Блейлер: 312].

That experiencing a wide spectrum motley kind of hallucinations - auditory, auditoria, tactile, olfactory and gustatory.

Let's stop also on speech, sign schizophrenia, which will help us "synthesize" a schizophrenic discourse. This pereskakivanie with themes on subject: "Words not contacting in proposal; sometimes sick clarion voice Vocalizing their, repeating one and the same the fragment melodies" [Кемпинский 1998: 33]. The entropy of, bestselnost speech, derivative from violations normal actions associations. "Electromagnetic disclosure salad", - phenomenon, under which "speech consists of individual, not associated in proposal words, representing, mainly, neologizmy and perseveriruyuschie commentary or okriki or even individual adekvatnogo" [Кемпинский: 39]. Perseverations - automatic mindless a repeat of any movement or words at all extremely characterized for schizophrenia. This stems with so-called syndrome Kandinsky-Clerambault's Syndrome, or "syndrome psychological of automatism", one of the most fundamental phenomena under education Eno we have had. For our goals in Arnold Kandinsky-Clerambault's Syndrome it is important to note the next his a crucial line - vynuzhdennost, alienation thinking from consciousness actor, as if his clear conscience someone manages [Рыбальский 1983: 72]. (A. Theory of information metabolism rightly links Atroxium. A nerve responses schizophrenics with an automatic letter, Surrealist painters - again the discourse - vividly expressed, a psychotic discourse.)

Finally Zaznachimo vital thematic especially Eno we have had: Misconception about increase and reducing own bodies, transformation into a in other people, in improbable monsters and inanimate objects; tranzitivizm, for example, misconception in accordance with which, in body or consciousness actor someone enters; misconception about rays or the waves, permeate the brain (the so, telling the rays, which convey the unsub godly truth, - one of key images prominent psychotic skillfulness or schreberi, archaeologically by Freud and by Lacan). Extremely characterized under schizophrenia hypertrophy of spheres "they" and headache spheres I - you - we, that allows to talk about desubektivizatsii and generalizatsii Eno world. In ethically terms of it is important to note altruism patient, his pursuit truth [Кемпинский: 162, 165].

In ontological terms of “mixes past and present, here and there, in as a complete the tide disease his can Breath of total jerks chaos and void.

"A wishbone from a-7" (a schizophrenic discourse)
Мать купила слив, слив для бачка, сливокупание, отец, я слышал много раз, что если не умрет, то останется одно, Ваня никогда сливопусканья этого, они хотели Васю опустить, им смертию кость угрожала, я слышу слив прибоя заунывный, очень хотелось съесть, съесть, очень хотелось, съесть, съесть, лежали на тарелке, съесть, тех слив, мамулечка, не перечтешь тайком, деткам, мама, дай деткам, да святится Имя Отца, он много раз, много раз хотел, съесть, съесть, хотел съесть, мать купила слив для бачка, а он хотел съесть, съесть, сожрать, растерзать, перемолола ему косточки, а тело выбросили за окошко, разумеется, на десерт, после обеда, сливокопание, мальчик съел сливу, слива съедена мальчиком, сливой съело мальчика, слива разъела внутренности мальчика, кишки мальчика раздуло от запаха сливы, он нюхал их, а они нюхали его, надобно вам сказать, что в сливе заложено все мироздание, и потому, если ее слить тайком, перед обедом, когда в горнице никого, а косточку выбросить за окошко ретроактивно, это тело матери, и все нюхал-нюхал, но не удержался, и все сказали, нет, сказали, нет, слив больше нет, отец заботливо, что если ненароком, но все казали, что слив больше нет, как рак за обедом, мать продала отцу несколько слив, перед обедом сочла детей, видит, одного нет, она сказала отцу, отец покраснел, как рак, я косточки выбросил в отхожее место, в конце концов, одним больше, одним меньше, все засмеялись, засмеялись, засмеялись, тут все, доктор, засмеялись, просто все обсмеялись, чуть с кровати не упали, а Ваня заплакал."

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There are youth Football schizophrenia, there is "shuboobraznaya" (this is the most severe kind of).

Flax, Rasshifruy, pl-the kind)

on level thinking they governments are judged the process about implicit (low-latent) lines, and not privacy, embracing. T. E. Have them breached assotsiativnye ties

And can be example thinking on implicit lines?! Me so easier still patch will)

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Iriani wrote:

Len, Rasshifruy, pl-the kind)

In the first case disease comes suddenly, sharply and severely. At all is considered, that than sharper and stronger start, the more chance cope with disease. "Shuboobraznaya" this not from words "fur coat", and from German words, which translated as "ledge." T. E. Have, Chel-occur bouts time from time and with after each of them he will deteriorate even stronger, i.e. descends each time on stage- below in his development, loses themselves as personality all more and more.

Iriani wrote:

A can be example thinking on implicit lines?! Me so easier still patch will)

And here is from previous office, cliffsnotes history pro a plum with shizofrenicheskim tilt:
Мать купила слив, слив для бачка, сливокупание, отец, я слышал много раз, что если не умрет, то останется одно, Ваня никогда сливопусканья этого, они хотели Васю опустить, им смертию кость угрожала, я слышу слив прибоя заунывный, очень хотелось съесть, съесть, очень хотелось, съесть, съесть, лежали на тарелке, съесть, тех слив, мамулечка, не перечтешь тайком, деткам, мама, дай деткам, да святится Имя Отца, он много раз, много раз хотел, съесть, съесть, хотел съесть, мать купила слив для бачка, а он хотел съесть, съесть, сожрать, растерзать, перемолола ему косточки, а тело выбросили за окошко, разумеется, на десерт, после обеда, сливокопание, мальчик съел сливу, слива съедена мальчиком, сливой съело мальчика, слива разъела внутренности мальчика, кишки мальчика раздуло от запаха сливы, он нюхал их, а они нюхали его, надобно вам сказать, что в сливе заложено все мироздание, и потому, если ее слить тайком, перед обедом, когда в горнице никого, а косточку выбросить за окошко ретроактивно, это тело матери, и все нюхал-нюхал, но не удержался, и все сказали, нет, сказали, нет, слив больше нет, отец заботливо, что если ненароком, но все казали, что слив больше нет, как рак за обедом, мать продала отцу несколько слив, перед обедом сочла детей, видит, одного нет, она сказала отцу, отец покраснел, как рак, я косточки выбросил в отхожее место, в конце концов, одним больше, одним меньше, все засмеялись, засмеялись, засмеялись, тут все, доктор, засмеялись, просто все обсмеялись, чуть с кровати не упали, а Ваня заплакал."

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And at all me need to raise their jobs, can something interesting made there on forum zakinu. But this already on festivities, likely.

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Lena, thank you huge for article!
She and there is the answer on my Rw and nezadannye questions (difference ab from Bredow (disambiguation) and camping on Afghan)

Think.
Mercury should be as something related, after all tilt goes precisely in speech, proyavlennost through speech.
Uranium - runaway the flow of, which not can, not has time as something peremolotsya in the consciousness of)
Types - overwhelming, transformiruyuschee personality.
Neptune -rasplyvchatoe, however ambiguous, passive rather. This to RP in disease.

need to raise their jobs

Need to ;)

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Iriani wrote:

Mercury should be as something related, after all tilt goes precisely in speech, proyavlennost through speech

There is no ,-il! In is something and deal! In those maps, which me managed to consider (even on level kosmogramm) Mercury prytko sekstilit and trinit! Here something another. Me would not like putting here astrological considerations (little whether who us reads? Why people frighten, truth. Think, that on Forum I fine, I don't precisely psychological cut of. And perishing if d write work, then there will go down and astrology.

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Mercury prytko sekstilit and trinit!

So disease can be and on trinakh, equivalents! Not always this efforts. Homes disease. It comes. Zavyazyvatsya)
Aside from Merck - 3 house

“I don’t would not like putting here astrological considerations

Chorus. Realized.
The partition "Everyone the brink of astrology")

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What PRELEST!
Rainbow, THANK YOU for "Kostochku")
I still not done reading that (to run away it is time), but already very illusion you have done, camping on K. Still in childhood saw something this sixpence (and Interior his then in the partition very President literary the writings)
Hence and joy)

Want ask still here is about than.
I remember are interested me John Forbes article Nash, at times map regard.
Not met whether you accurate data his birth?

And still. Came now thought, where try to to dig up data about shizofrenicheskikh own classmates.
In any time soon Bohrmann))

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Vasilisa wrote:

We recall are interested me John Forbes article Nash, at times map regard.
Not met whether you accurate data his birth?

Not - and :(

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Радуга wrote:

Don’t - and

A pity.
Will have to leave until as there is))

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